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mary_j_59 ([personal profile] mary_j_59) wrote2009-11-15 06:17 pm

Why didn't it happen this way? (a missing scene from HP)

I've said over on Snapedom that, if Lily was the be-all and end-all for young Sev, she should have been the be-all and end-all. So why couldn't he have joined the Death Eaters specifically to protect her? I do know the answer to that, of course: we couldn't have a scene that might make him more sympathetic. But why did Rowling also have to diminish James and Lily? Consider Voldemort's attack:

James hears something at the door and yells to his wife: "Lily, take Harry and run! I'll hold him off!" He picks up his wand and runs to the door, shouting, "Expelliarmus! Stupefy!" Spells ricochet off the walls of the small house, and eventually the young man falls. Voldemort steps over his body and strides up the stairs. At the top of the stairs, he meets Lily.

Voldemort: "Put the brat down and stand aside, girl."
Lily: (Turning so that she shelters Harry with her body and backing away) "No! Not Harry! Please, not Harry! I'll do anything-"
voldemort: "Stand aside, or you will die."
Lily: (She turns slightly toward Voldemort, still sheltering Harry in her arms). "If I join you, will you let Harry live?"
Voldemort: "You will join the Death Eaters?"
Lily: "Yes, I will, if you only let Harry live! I'll brew for you. I'll teach Harry to honor you (gulps as she says this, gasps, and goes on), I'll do anything you ask. Only let Harry live!"
Voldemort: (smiles cruelly) Very well, girl. I accept. Now set the child down.
Lily: "You promise? You will let him live?"
Voldemort: "I promise. Now set him down."
Lily: (looks doubtful, but carries Harry back into the bedroom and sets him in his crib.)
Voldemort: "Now stand aside, girl"
Lily: (steps to one side, her eyes wide and fearful)
Voldemort: (draws his wand and aims at Harry, beginning to pronounce) Avada-
Lily: (shrieks and darts in front of Voldemort's wand) No! Not Harry! You promised! (the beam of light hits her and she dies.)
Voldemort: "Foolish girl!" (he steps forward and aims at Harry again, saying, "Avada Kedavra". The curse rebounds and destroys him. His last feeling is fury that he could have been outwitted by a Muggleborn girl and her half-blood lover, who'd urged her usefulness and probably arranged the trap with her.)

Why couldn't have Rowling done it this way? Why couldn't she have shown Lily and James to have some smarts and competence? Just my two cents, as always.

[identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com 2009-11-16 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, Sionna! My version doesn't negate the bargain Voldemort already made with Severus. It's in addition to it, not instead of it. I just think there is no way on earth Lily would step aside (thus triggering the original bargain) unless she got some kind of assurance about Harry's life from Voldemort. Yes, he'd be lying, and so would she. But doesn't this seem more believable than what we got? Or can you believe, as a mom, that any mother would let this monster get a clear shot at her child?

The original scene just makes Lily look like a panicked girl - not a particularly clever or powerful witch. I end up admiring Narcissa Malfoy more than her. Seriously!

I'd love to see your complete reasoning about Severus and his reasons for joining the DEs. Of course, I think you're right! But, again, Rowling was working to diminish his character, and ended up diminishing her story as a result.

[identity profile] seductivedark.livejournal.com 2009-11-16 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
If Voldemort made a bargain with Lily (to spare Harry) and reneges on it, that could trigger a different ancient magic (lying under oath or something). Problem is, that would put Severus out of the picture - no need, story-wise, for him to bargain to save Lily if she's the one making bargains on Harry's life.

If Voldemort offers Lily the chance to join him (lying, of course) and she refuses, it would give Voldemort the excuse of being angry that he was refused so it isn't so odd that Mr. Magical-All-That breaks a magical vow, it would protect Severus's cover, it would have Lily being true to her convictions, and it would still result in the rebounding AK.

But that would suppose an intelligent Voldemort.

[identity profile] mary-j-59.livejournal.com 2009-11-16 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
If Voldemort made a bargain with Lily (to spare Harry) and reneges on it, that could trigger a different ancient magic (lying under oath or something). Problem is, that would put Severus out of the picture - no need, story-wise, for him to bargain to save Lily if she's the one making bargains on Harry's life.

I don't agree. I think you still need Severus in the picture to (1) suggest the bargain in the first place, and (2) beg for Lily's life to the extent that Voldemort even lets her talk. Otherwise, why wouldn't he just kill her in the first place, without letting her open her mouth? Notice that, in my "missing scene", the first thing Voldemort does is to ask Lily to stand aside. The thing that puzzles me about the scene as Rowling wrote it is that she apparently does! Why? This rewrite attempts to answer that question.

[identity profile] seductivedark.livejournal.com 2009-11-17 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. Okay, missed the asking to step aside first thing.