I'm sorry, Mary-j if I have made you sad and angry by my post. That was not my intent. Neither did I mean to argue against you in general, or attribute to you every opinion anyone could have about Snape that I disagree with. I'm sorry if I came across like that. I think you have made many good points in your posts, even though I disagree with some of the things you say.
The only reason why I brought up the SMW scene again here, was because I felt your summary of the later books was a bit lacking, if it - as it seemed from the context of your post - was meant to give someone who had never read the later books a basis for participating in the discussion. That was why I felt the need of adding a few things. To those who have read the books already, and discussed them over and over a zillion times, as I have and I'm sure you, too, the adding of those facts and points was of course not necessary at all.
There is not very much else I would disagree with or want to argue in the rest of what you say. I read the pensieve dialogue between Snape and Lily where the werewolf incident was brought up differently from you, and do not see any betrayal on Lily's part. After all, it ends with Snape walking happily away with Lily, relaxed and with a new spring in his step! (I could give you a longer analysis of that pensieve scene and why I have come to my conclusion, but I don't want to bother you with it if you are tired of this discussion.)
In my opinion, Snape looses Lily as a friend because of his own actions and bad choices. But I think Snape did not himself understand this at the time, and was truly unhappy about it. I also have a longer list of incidents than just 'a couple' where I find the man nasty and wrong in his treatment of the kids than you do (and yes, the 'teeth' incident is on that list, certainly.) I can also list a few moments when Harry is not fair or in the right towards Snape. (But Snape doesn't have Harry's excuse of being a kid...) But as you say, none of us will probably be able to convince the other one of anything at all at this point, so I'm not going to try...
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Re: What I'm wondering is-
Date: 2009-08-12 05:14 pm (UTC)The only reason why I brought up the SMW scene again here, was because I felt your summary of the later books was a bit lacking, if it - as it seemed from the context of your post - was meant to give someone who had never read the later books a basis for participating in the discussion. That was why I felt the need of adding a few things. To those who have read the books already, and discussed them over and over a zillion times, as I have and I'm sure you, too, the adding of those facts and points was of course not necessary at all.
There is not very much else I would disagree with or want to argue in the rest of what you say. I read the pensieve dialogue between Snape and Lily where the werewolf incident was brought up differently from you, and do not see any betrayal on Lily's part. After all, it ends with Snape walking happily away with Lily, relaxed and with a new spring in his step! (I could give you a longer analysis of that pensieve scene and why I have come to my conclusion, but I don't want to bother you with it if you are tired of this discussion.)
In my opinion, Snape looses Lily as a friend because of his own actions and bad choices. But I think Snape did not himself understand this at the time, and was truly unhappy about it. I also have a longer list of incidents than just 'a couple' where I find the man nasty and wrong in his treatment of the kids than you do (and yes, the 'teeth' incident is on that list, certainly.) I can also list a few moments when Harry is not fair or in the right towards Snape. (But Snape doesn't have Harry's excuse of being a kid...) But as you say, none of us will probably be able to convince the other one of anything at all at this point, so I'm not going to try...